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		<title>By: Flametoad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seen on the &#8216;Net XVIII</title>
		<link>http://flametoad.com/2007/technopeasant-class-wars-an-e-book-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2138</link>
		<dc:creator>Flametoad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seen on the &#8216;Net XVIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent hoopla notwithstanding, it seems that the jury is still out. It would be nice to get additional data from different types [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Earl Newton</title>
		<link>http://flametoad.com/2007/technopeasant-class-wars-an-e-book-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think something that hasn&#039;t been raised here, something that should be raised, is how much this debate quietly centers on how we look at the audience as a whole.

Someone once said, (paraphrasing) &quot;Professions are a conspiracy against the laymen.&quot;  This seems to be the same sort of attitude: instead of serving the audience, going with the flow of the marketplace and providing them with material they want, it seems people are digging in their heels and saying, &quot;No, we don&#039;t want to do it like that, we want them to pay for it on our terms!&quot;

We can&#039;t afford to sit back and throw material into the void and hope people pay for it anymore, fellows.  The old ideas of celebrity - geniuses in ivory towers - are falling away, bit by bit.  The future, as I see it, depends on cultivating an audience: of being real and honest, making a genuine connection, and being faithful to it.

Scott has found enormous success, in my point of view, not just because of the quality of his work, but because of his willingness to speak to his audience as his equals.  He doesn&#039;t wrap himself in the spotlight of success, he shares it with his listeners.  They become part of his success, and rightfully so, feel personally invested in what he does.

In short, we cannot afford to treat our audiences like demographics.  The Internet is not just a media network: it&#039;s the biggest small town in the world.  It&#039;s time we start getting to know our neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think something that hasn&#8217;t been raised here, something that should be raised, is how much this debate quietly centers on how we look at the audience as a whole.</p>
<p>Someone once said, (paraphrasing) &#8220;Professions are a conspiracy against the laymen.&#8221;  This seems to be the same sort of attitude: instead of serving the audience, going with the flow of the marketplace and providing them with material they want, it seems people are digging in their heels and saying, &#8220;No, we don&#8217;t want to do it like that, we want them to pay for it on our terms!&#8221;</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t afford to sit back and throw material into the void and hope people pay for it anymore, fellows.  The old ideas of celebrity &#8211; geniuses in ivory towers &#8211; are falling away, bit by bit.  The future, as I see it, depends on cultivating an audience: of being real and honest, making a genuine connection, and being faithful to it.</p>
<p>Scott has found enormous success, in my point of view, not just because of the quality of his work, but because of his willingness to speak to his audience as his equals.  He doesn&#8217;t wrap himself in the spotlight of success, he shares it with his listeners.  They become part of his success, and rightfully so, feel personally invested in what he does.</p>
<p>In short, we cannot afford to treat our audiences like demographics.  The Internet is not just a media network: it&#8217;s the biggest small town in the world.  It&#8217;s time we start getting to know our neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: Flametoad &#187; Breaking Past Burnout</title>
		<link>http://flametoad.com/2007/technopeasant-class-wars-an-e-book-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1653</link>
		<dc:creator>Flametoad &#187; Breaking Past Burnout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Having shared my opinion (and stirred up trouble) on the whole technopeasant thing, I&#8217;m still left with all the same tasks I was faced with before. If you haven&#8217;t read that post, or only the post and not the comments, I encourage you to check it out. As Scott Sigler said, the genie is out of the bottle and my bitching isn&#8217;t going to change that. However, I wanted people to at least think before giving their work for free. It&#8217;s one thing to give away your work because you&#8217;ve carefully considered the benefits and detriments, and incorporated it as part of a well considered, long-term marketing plan. It&#8217;s another thing to give away your work because the cool sheep say it&#8217;s technopeasant day and thus it&#8217;s what all the cool members of the flock are doing this year. I still think it&#8217;s a bad precedent for the e-book market as a whole, but I&#8217;ll try to stay posistive and hope that something better (in terms of a model that compensates authors for their work) emerges from the ashes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Having shared my opinion (and stirred up trouble) on the whole technopeasant thing, I&#8217;m still left with all the same tasks I was faced with before. If you haven&#8217;t read that post, or only the post and not the comments, I encourage you to check it out. As Scott Sigler said, the genie is out of the bottle and my bitching isn&#8217;t going to change that. However, I wanted people to at least think before giving their work for free. It&#8217;s one thing to give away your work because you&#8217;ve carefully considered the benefits and detriments, and incorporated it as part of a well considered, long-term marketing plan. It&#8217;s another thing to give away your work because the cool sheep say it&#8217;s technopeasant day and thus it&#8217;s what all the cool members of the flock are doing this year. I still think it&#8217;s a bad precedent for the e-book market as a whole, but I&#8217;ll try to stay posistive and hope that something better (in terms of a model that compensates authors for their work) emerges from the ashes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Webscab debate - ebook vs paper book wars continue at Facibus Reviews</title>
		<link>http://flametoad.com/2007/technopeasant-class-wars-an-e-book-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1631</link>
		<dc:creator>Webscab debate - ebook vs paper book wars continue at Facibus Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Presto the ebook author finds some common ground with Howard Hendrix, SFWA&#8217;s Vice President in charge of offensive ranting. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Preece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Preece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Scott. Certainly the advertiser model has worked for television and radio (and to a large extent for magazines) for a long time. I think the model could also work for novels to a limited extent. Specifically, a few big authors (Stephen King, Nora Roberts, Tom Clancy) could sell advertising and make money. Which would, I think, further distort an already disturbing predominance of the best-sellers (and big publishers) and make it even tougher for new talent to break out. 

For smaller publishers and authors, relying on Google Ads seems to me to be doomed to failure (although I do use Google Ads, as well as sell banner space when I get the chance). Still, I&#039;m interested to hear that you&#039;ve made a success out of it. I&#039;ll certainly check you out and see if I can figure out how to emulate your example.

Rob Preece
Publisher, www.BooksForABuck.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Scott. Certainly the advertiser model has worked for television and radio (and to a large extent for magazines) for a long time. I think the model could also work for novels to a limited extent. Specifically, a few big authors (Stephen King, Nora Roberts, Tom Clancy) could sell advertising and make money. Which would, I think, further distort an already disturbing predominance of the best-sellers (and big publishers) and make it even tougher for new talent to break out. </p>
<p>For smaller publishers and authors, relying on Google Ads seems to me to be doomed to failure (although I do use Google Ads, as well as sell banner space when I get the chance). Still, I&#8217;m interested to hear that you&#8217;ve made a success out of it. I&#8217;ll certainly check you out and see if I can figure out how to emulate your example.</p>
<p>Rob Preece<br />
Publisher, <a href="http://www.BooksForABuck.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.BooksForABuck.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prest0</title>
		<link>http://flametoad.com/2007/technopeasant-class-wars-an-e-book-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Prest0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I know that’s what you’re saying, “let’s think about making it free before we plow ahead,” but regardless of our debate, it’s going to happen anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I suppose that&#039;s the crux, isn&#039;t it? The genie really is out of the bottle, and e-books will probably become something neither of us can yet predict. Between Microsoft, Adobe, and IDPF, the technology will continue to evolve and authors/publishers will have to struggle to keep up. I think you&#039;re probably right about the concept of a simple file with text as an &quot;e-book&quot; to be a short-lived concept. We&#039;re probably entering an e-book feature space race, and authors (or publishers) who don&#039;t demonstrate technical sophestication will get left behind by those who do. Technical barriers will be just as effective at keeping some authors from self-publishing as editoral barriers are at keeping them from traditional distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know that’s what you’re saying, “let’s think about making it free before we plow ahead,” but regardless of our debate, it’s going to happen anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose that&#8217;s the crux, isn&#8217;t it? The genie really is out of the bottle, and e-books will probably become something neither of us can yet predict. Between Microsoft, Adobe, and IDPF, the technology will continue to evolve and authors/publishers will have to struggle to keep up. I think you&#8217;re probably right about the concept of a simple file with text as an &#8220;e-book&#8221; to be a short-lived concept. We&#8217;re probably entering an e-book feature space race, and authors (or publishers) who don&#8217;t demonstrate technical sophestication will get left behind by those who do. Technical barriers will be just as effective at keeping some authors from self-publishing as editoral barriers are at keeping them from traditional distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Prest0</title>
		<link>http://flametoad.com/2007/technopeasant-class-wars-an-e-book-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>Prest0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reply died, so let&#039;s try this again. Actually, the more I read your post the more confused I get. Are we even talking about the same thing? You say that the consumer has the right to buy whatever they feel most comfortable with and that I don&#039;t have the right to dictate what the customer likes. I think that goes without saying, and I&#039;m pretty sure I never indicated otherwise. I&#039;m writing about how I see authors are short-changing their work by treating one medium as a loss leader for another. Consumers will buy or they won&#039;t. &lt;em&gt;But of those who do consume e-books&lt;/em&gt;, if we (authors and publishers) set their expectation that e-books (or, using your example, music MP3s) should inherantly be free, then when technology and the instant-messaging generation catches up authors will still be stuck giving away their work because that&#039;s where the bar was originally set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reply died, so let&#8217;s try this again. Actually, the more I read your post the more confused I get. Are we even talking about the same thing? You say that the consumer has the right to buy whatever they feel most comfortable with and that I don&#8217;t have the right to dictate what the customer likes. I think that goes without saying, and I&#8217;m pretty sure I never indicated otherwise. I&#8217;m writing about how I see authors are short-changing their work by treating one medium as a loss leader for another. Consumers will buy or they won&#8217;t. <em>But of those who do consume e-books</em>, if we (authors and publishers) set their expectation that e-books (or, using your example, music MP3s) should inherantly be free, then when technology and the instant-messaging generation catches up authors will still be stuck giving away their work because that&#8217;s where the bar was originally set.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m not confusing the two.  You&#039;ve got the right to either play by the rules, or do something else.  But if the market preferences aren&#039;t for something else, don&#039;t gripe about not making any money at it.  The consumer has the right to buy whatever they feel the most comfortable with.  You&#039;ve not the right to dictate what the customer likes.  

If an author wants to do an e-book:  great.  More power to him.  Even more kudos if he can make money at it, as Scott Sigler apparently has done.  

I in no way, shape, or form said you have to give up your own opinion or preferences.  But until I can curl up with an e-book that I don&#039;t have to plug into anything, turn its pages, and have it still work after it falls out of my bed when I fall asleep with it, I&#039;m not interested.  I think a good bit of the book-buying public agrees. 

However, I do like the idea that authors are getting their stuff out there, and avoiding gatekeeper editors whose tastes might not reflect what would actually sell.  I feel the same way about the music industry.

But music can be played on darn near anything.  The kinesthetic qualities of a book aren&#039;t going to be as pleasing on an Ipod.

The market will dictate e-book success or failure, eventually.  I think the consumer will probably have to accept it, if paper costs become so high they can do nothing else.  They won&#039;t like it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m not confusing the two.  You&#8217;ve got the right to either play by the rules, or do something else.  But if the market preferences aren&#8217;t for something else, don&#8217;t gripe about not making any money at it.  The consumer has the right to buy whatever they feel the most comfortable with.  You&#8217;ve not the right to dictate what the customer likes.  </p>
<p>If an author wants to do an e-book:  great.  More power to him.  Even more kudos if he can make money at it, as Scott Sigler apparently has done.  </p>
<p>I in no way, shape, or form said you have to give up your own opinion or preferences.  But until I can curl up with an e-book that I don&#8217;t have to plug into anything, turn its pages, and have it still work after it falls out of my bed when I fall asleep with it, I&#8217;m not interested.  I think a good bit of the book-buying public agrees. </p>
<p>However, I do like the idea that authors are getting their stuff out there, and avoiding gatekeeper editors whose tastes might not reflect what would actually sell.  I feel the same way about the music industry.</p>
<p>But music can be played on darn near anything.  The kinesthetic qualities of a book aren&#8217;t going to be as pleasing on an Ipod.</p>
<p>The market will dictate e-book success or failure, eventually.  I think the consumer will probably have to accept it, if paper costs become so high they can do nothing else.  They won&#8217;t like it, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Prest0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prest0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bantered on Tim Pratt&#039;s LJ last week, but that&#039;s about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bantered on Tim Pratt&#8217;s LJ last week, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird. One of Nicoll&#039;s or Shetterly&#039;s posts, perhaps? I&#039;ve conflated them all into one &quot;SFWA election clusterfsck&quot; mental box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird. One of Nicoll&#8217;s or Shetterly&#8217;s posts, perhaps? I&#8217;ve conflated them all into one &#8220;SFWA election clusterfsck&#8221; mental box.</p>
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